tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8355086750486200439.post4044909836578136579..comments2024-03-24T19:55:32.537-05:00Comments on The View from This Seat: The Futility of RetaliationLKSeathttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08860725174433173015noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8355086750486200439.post-87551526195316909032013-08-28T18:06:22.336-05:002013-08-28T18:06:22.336-05:00I would highly recommend his work. He was the dean...I would highly recommend his work. He was the dean of Central back in the 80s, and ended up at Andover Newton Theological Seminary. I think he retired not too long ago. He has two other really good books on Jesus and the Reign of God, as well. See his Amazon author's page: http://www.amazon.com/William-R.-Herzog/e/B001IQXB4WJoshua Paul Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03970879028978093230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8355086750486200439.post-47001466858056968382013-08-28T17:40:40.597-05:002013-08-28T17:40:40.597-05:00Craig, thanks much for your helpful comments. What...Craig, thanks much for your helpful comments. What you wrote certainly affirmed the point I was trying to make at the end of my blog article.LKSeathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08860725174433173015noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8355086750486200439.post-14811508301655947782013-08-28T17:36:32.750-05:002013-08-28T17:36:32.750-05:00Joshua, thanks for your meaty comments. I have not...Joshua, thanks for your meaty comments. I have not read Herzog, but what you wrote about him makes me want to. (I have read some of Frederick Herzog, but I couldn't find that they were any relation.)<br /><br />Your comments also reminded me of "Cotton Patch Parables of Liberation" (1976) by Clarence Jordan and Bill Lane Doulos.<br /><br />We need whatever help we can get to see that the idea of "redemptive violence" is mistaken and that the "cycle of violence" has to be broken in some way.LKSeathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08860725174433173015noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8355086750486200439.post-50606833362933551572013-08-25T22:09:44.417-05:002013-08-25T22:09:44.417-05:00Quite by accident, I ended up in New York City jus...Quite by accident, I ended up in New York City just after 9/11. My wife and I were there for an anniversary celebration we had planned well before the attack. So we were there to see the still smoldering ruins of the World Trade Center, and to see anti-war protests urging the Bush administration to not to attack in response.<br /><br />It is easy to forget the huge worldwide surge of sympathy to the United States after the attack. Al Qaeda had badly overplayed its hand, and a tremendous opportunity for good was open. Unfortunately, a very poorly planned and executed program of retaliation swept that sympathy away. Then, having bungled the war in Afghanistan, the Bush administration turned aside without resolving that war, and began another poorly planned and executed war in Iraq. By the end of that war, the only winners were in Iran and Halliburton. The war in Afghanistan still grinds on, the longest war in American history.<br /><br />As John Lennon put it, in words that ring as true today as ever, "All we are saying, is give peace a chance."Craig Dempseyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00033176451913108084noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8355086750486200439.post-27825643557266123412013-08-25T12:03:32.129-05:002013-08-25T12:03:32.129-05:00William Herzog argues that the "myth of redem...William Herzog argues that the "myth of redemptive violence" is the original intent of Jesus' so-called "Parable of the Wicked Tenants" (see "Parables As Subversive Speech: Jesus As Pedagogue of the Oppressed"). Rather than a christological parable in which the vineyard owner is supposed to be God, Herzog says that the original context of the parable would have been interpreted as a story in which a peasant revolt occurred following a wealthy landowner's seizure of the peasants' farmland. The point, according to Herzog, is that if the peasants rise up and kill the vineyard owner's son after the owner himself has taken their land and rounded them up as indentured slaves, the vineyard owner will then simply come and kill the peasants. The parable at its core is about the futility of retaliation and the "cycle of violence."Joshua Paul Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03970879028978093230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8355086750486200439.post-14244528550852644522013-08-25T09:55:09.774-05:002013-08-25T09:55:09.774-05:00A world so frequently bent on evil. Sure could us...A world so frequently bent on evil. Sure could use a little good news (and reconciliation) to this day.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8355086750486200439.post-88967078884932420852013-08-25T06:59:05.061-05:002013-08-25T06:59:05.061-05:00Thinking Friend Clif Hostetler just posted the fol...Thinking Friend Clif Hostetler just posted the following comments on my other blog with the same article:<br /><br />"There are additional details of history that perhaps can reinforce your point that violence begets more violence. If we were able to interview James Lane he might try to justify his 1861 raid on Osceola as retaliation for the first sacking of Lawrence in 1856."<br /><br />"Probably the more immediate rationalization for Lane’s raid was that it was a tactical move behind Sterling Price’s Confederate advance into central Missouri to hinder his supply lines."LKSeathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08860725174433173015noreply@blogger.com